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Greetings

In the past I had been able to use Brahaha for writing material in Devanagari on this website. Totally mysteriously, I can no longer do so either on this website or in my "Notepad" files. (When I attempt to enter material in Devanagari, it appears on the computer screen as as a string of "squares".)

Guessing that some bug might have somehow crept into the Brahaha program which was stored in my computer, I deleted it and then downloaded a new copy from the Brahaha website.

The new downloaded copy has been definitely successfully reinstalled in my computer and so have been Brahaha Devanagari fonts. Yet the problem persists so that I am still not able to write material in Devanagari using Brahaha.

I have no idea whether you have relevant expertise to offer any suggestions in this matter. If you do, I shall highly appreciate receiving suggestions from you. Otherwise, could you kindly forward this note to an expert or provide me the name/mailing address of such a person?

Thank you very much.

--Cgj 17:59, 18 मार्च 2006 (UTC)

हर्शल आणि परीक्षित,

तुम्ही दोघांनीही अगदी त्वरित सूचना पाठवल्याबद्दल अनेक धन्यवाद.

देवनागरी लिपीत मजकूर लिहायची सुविधा नव्या जमान्यातल्या बराहा वराहावताराने काल माझ्यावर गूढपणे वक्रदृष्टी दाखवून माझ्याकडून हिरावून घेतली होती.

त्यानंतर मी अनेक तर्हांच्या लटपटी केल्यावर आणि त्यांच्या जोडीला "बा बराहा वराहा, म्या पामरावर (ह्यापुढे शक्यतो कायमची) पूर्ववत कृपादृष्टी राखून राहा" अशी खूप आळवणी केल्यावर बराहा वराहावताराने मला आज त्या सुविधेचे पुन्हा वरदान केले आहे!

तेव्हा विकिपीडिआच्या दुसर्या कोणा सदस्यांवर बराहावताराची वक्रदृष्टी अवतरली आणि मग त्यांपैकी कोणी तुमच्याकडे साहाय्य मागितले तर त्या सदस्यांनी कोणत्या दोन गोष्टी कराव्यात ते तुम्हाला माझ्या वरच्या अनुभवावरून पक्के कळावे.

पुनश्च धन्यवाद.

--Cgj 23:43, 18 मार्च 2006 (UTC)

ख्रि.पू. Or ई.स.पू. Hello Abhay,

I think 'ई.स.पू.' can be more consistent than 'ख्रि.पू.'. With regards, Harshalhayat 05:08, 21 फेब्रुवारी 2006 (UTC)

वरच्या विषयासंबंधित काही फुटकळ विचार:

प्रथम एक आठवण: मी शाळेत असताना आमचे इतिहासाचे शिक्षक जेव्हा कुशान सम्राट कनिष्कासंबंधित इतिहास शिकवत होते तेव्हा "पूर्णांकांमधल्या अंकमितीत '१'हून एकाने कमी असलेली संख्या '०' असते मग "ई..स. १" पूर्वीचे वर्ष "ई.स. ०" का?" असा एक चलाख प्रश्न माझ्या वर्गातल्या एका जिज्ञासू विद्यार्थ्याने शिक्षकांना विचारून त्यांना घोटाळ्यात टाकले होते.

येशूचा जन्म ई.स. १ मधे झालेला होता ह्या जुन्या (चुकीच्या) कल्पनेपायी इंग्रजीत AD आणि BC ह्या आद्याक्षरांनी सनगणना होत आली आहे, पण त्या जुन्या कल्पनेतल्या चुकीचे इथे फार महत्त्व नाही.

येशूचे नाव "येशू" असे उच्चारायची मराठी समाजात प्रथा आहे. ज्या यहुदी समाजात येशू जन्मला होता त्या समाजात त्याच्या नावाचा उच्चार "जवळजवळ" "याशुवा" असा करण्याची प्रथा होती आणि आहे. "येशुवा", "इशुवा", "इसुवा", ""ईसू", "जीझस" अशी त्या नावाची जरा वेगवेगळी रूपे जगात प्रचलित आहेत. मराठीत "ख्रिस्त" हे उच्चाराचे रूप प्रचलित असले तरी ग्रीक, लॅटिन आणि इंग्रजी भाषेत "क्रिस्तोस", "क्रिस्तस" आणि "क्राइस्ट" अशी क्रमशः उच्चाररूपे प्रचलित आहेत. तेव्हा त्यांनुसार "क्रिस्त" हे मराठी रूप अधिक उचित ठरेल!

"ई.स.पू." आणि "ख्रि.पू." ही दोन्ही संक्षिप्त आद्याक्षरे मराठीत बरीच "सर्वसंमत" झाल्याचे दिसते. त्यांपैकी "ई.स.पू." म्हणजे "ईसवी सन पूर्व" ह्या संज्ञेतला शब्दक्रम तार्किकदृष्ट्या उघडपणे बरोबर नाही. "ईसूपूर्व सन" ही संज्ञा आणि तिचे "ई.पू.स." हे संक्षिप्त रूप तार्किकदृष्ट्या बरोबर ठरेल! किंवा "क्रि.स." आणि "क्रि.पू.स." ही जोडी तर्कशुद्ध ठरेल!!

--216.203.251.185 17:23, 23 मार्च 2006 (UTC)

presentation

Harshal,

I did receive the presentation. Going through it bit by bit. Apart from minor typo/grammar, it looks very good so far. Well done. I'll put together an email with what I find and any comments.

Should not be more than a day or two.

अभय नातू 17:02, 17 एप्रिल 2006 (UTC)

अजिंठा-वेरूळ

हर्षल,

अजिंठा-वेरूळच्या लेखात मी भर घातली आहे. माझ्या मते आता या लेखास मुखपृष्ठावर प्रसिद्धी द्यायला हरकत नाही.

तुझे मत काय आहे?

अभय नातू 22:15, 9 मे 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you,

59.163.25.48 00:30, 6 जून 2006 (UTC)

working man's barnstar

Harshal,

Thank you for the encouragement.

The work you and others are doing offline (creating presentations, sending calls for contribution) and getting others interested is no less important.

Let's continue on!

अभय नातू 15:36, 1 जुलै 2006 (UTC)

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On मुखपृष्ठ you have given a link to a page called विकिपीडिआ:घोषणा ; This page seems to be empty.Do you expect any specific thing to be included under this page.Please keep us informed if we can make any specific contribution to this page. Mahitgar 13:30, 13 नोव्हेंबर 2006 (UTC)

Template:व्यक्ती

Template:व्यक्ती चे Template:व्यक्ति येथे तुम्ही स्थानांतरण केले आहे. त्याचे कारण समजू शकेल का? माझ्यामते मराठीत "व्यक्ती" असेच दीर्घ लिहितात (उदा. पुलंचे "व्यक्ती आणि वल्ली").

मी बदलणार होतो पण सर्वच पानांवर "व्यक्ति" हा साचा वापरलेला आहे म्हणून आधी कारण शोधतो आहे.

पाटीलकेदार 12:35, 21 नोव्हेंबर 2006 (UTC)

गूगल ने बहुदा हिंदी "व्यक्ति" दाखवला असावा. हिंदी आणि मराठी मध्ये संस्कृत शब्दांबाबत असा फरक अनेकदा दिसतो.

असो. मी तुम्हाला हा संदेश लिहून बरेच दिवस झाले. त्या दरम्यान {{व्यक्ति}} चे आता {{माहितीचौकट व्यक्ती}} झाले आहे हे तुम्ही पाहिले असेलच! :-)

– केदार {संवाद, योगदान} 18:55, 6 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

Requesting your support

Dear Harshal,

I had placed following request at Wikipedia talk:Administrators and request your support

• Vertical growth and requesting new administrator

Thanks to our present proactive administrators,Marathi Wikipedia is growing at good space, for over last three years. I would request and support present administrators to make effort to get vertical growth in wiki admin. At the same time I would also appreciate and support new admin request.Specialy I have name of User:Sankalpdravid in my mind, since he has done a good job in editing over a period of time and knows Marathi Language very well. I am sure this step shall be productive for Marathi Wikipedia

Mahitgar 05:11, 16 नोव्हेंबर 2006 (UTC)

आपले मत नोंदवा

[१]→→महाराष्ट्र एक्सप्रेस(च/यो)→→ 19:05, 6 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

It worked

thanks - कोल्हापुरी 12:34, 8 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

I tried to use the template as is but it was giving translation on the new line. That is why I changed it. Will create a new template for the same. -- कोल्हापुरी 07:09, 11 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

requesting your guidance

Namaskar, I request some gudance on this page विकिपीडिया:मराठी विकिपीडिया माध्यम प्रसिद्धी प्रकल्प from your side Mahitgar 08:04, 9 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

मराठी विकिपीडियाचा interface कुठे सुधारता येईल?

मराठी विकिपीडियाचा interface कुठे आहे? डावीकडिल समासात काही शब्दांचे शुद्धलेखन बदलायचे आहे.

--संकल्प द्रविड 13:35, 11 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

presentation

Dear recently you were discussing about your a presentation made by you. Where we can access it? Regards Mahitgar 17:39, 16 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

A request

भारत आणि चंगीझ खान

 + भारतातील मुघल साम्राज्याचा स्थापक बाबर हा चंगीझ खानच्या घराण्याशी संबंधीत होता. 

आपण हा फरक केलेला पाहिला. कृपया ही माहीती पडताळून पाहावी कारण ती चुकीची आहे असे वाटते. केवळ खान या नावाच्या दबदब्याचा आपल्याला उपयोग व्हावा म्हणून मोघलांनी आपला संबंध पराक्रमी चंगीझशी लावला, खान हे नाव चालवले असे वाटते. मोघल हे तैमूरलंगचे वंशज असून तैमूरलंगचे लग्न चुगतई खानच्या कोणा वंशजाशी झाले होते, (मध्य आशियात असे म्हटले जाते की चंगीझने इतकी कत्तल केली की बाकी राहिलेले लोक फक्त मंगोल वंशीयच होते.) त्यामुळे दाखवावा असा मोघलांचा संबंध चंगीझशी खचितच नाही. चुगतईच्या लेखात त्याचा योग्य उपयोग करता येईल असे वाटते.

चु. भू. दे. घे. मला हा बदल येथे असू नये असे वाटते.

कळावे, priyambhashini 21:34, 16 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the article about Changiz's descendants. I think I can write above mentioned information stating there isn't a direct or proven relation between Mughals and Changiz.

Let me know if you find it suitable.

priyambhashini 12:31, 17 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

I have made some changes in that document with a note of 'citation needed'. If you get free time please go through it. Thanks!

priyambhashini 14:37, 18 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

mr-wiki grp membership

Harshal,

I do not see your request to add. Can you try again? Or give me your addr so I can send an invite to you.

अभय नातू 21:51, 17 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

विकिपीडिया मराठीकरण

मराठी विकिपीडियातील काही भागांचे मराठीकरण बाकी आहे.प्रकल्प:विकिपीडिया मराठीकरण,विकिसंज्ञा,Talk:विकिसंज्ञा येथे भेट देवून कोणत्या संज्ञा इंग्रजीतच ठेवणे श्रेयस्कर वाटते या बद्दल चर्चा करावी व तदनंतर सहमती झालेल्या संज्ञाचे मराठीकरण करावे ही नम्र विनंती. Mahitgar 10:48, 18 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)

नमस्कार हर्षल, आपण नवीन main page साठी प्रयत्न करत आहात हे पाहून आनंद वाट्ला. मला काही सूचना करावयाच्या होत्या. कृपया विविध blocks मध्ये असणारी space/पोकळी घालवावी (उदा- डावीकडील navigation पट्टी व मासिक सदर यांमधील किंवा मासिक सदर व आ.हे.मा.आ.का? मधील पोकळी. आणि महत्वाचे म्हणजे इतर भाषिक विकिंची रचना/design पाहिल्यावर अजून कल्पना/सुधारणा सुचतील त्यामुळे कृपया ते चुकवू नये.

धन्यवाद.→→महाराष्ट्र एक्सप्रेस(च/यो)→→ 15:45, 18 डिसेंबर 2006 (UTC)