विकिपीडिया चर्चा:Input System

• मराठी टायपिंग बद्दल अद्यापही आपणास शंका बाकी आहेत ? कृपया आपल्या छोट्यात छोट्या टायपिंग शंका मनमोकळेपणाने विचारा, आपल्या शंका आणि प्रश्नांमुळे साहाय्य पाने अद्ययावत करणे सोपे जाते. आपल्या शंकेस दिलेले उत्तर कदाचित इतर लाखो मराठीत टाईपकरण्यास उत्सुक लोकांना उपयूक्त ठरु शकेल. कृपया आपल्या छोट्यात छोट्या टायपिंग शंका मनमोकळेपणाने विचाराश्

माहितगार (-खुलं खुलं आभाळ तसा.. मीही खुला खुला.. दारं, खिडक्या, भिंती यांची.. सवय झाली तुला..? ) (चर्चा) १३:१५, २२ ऑगस्ट २०१४ (IST)

कळफलक

अa आA/aa इi ईI उu ऊU/oo एe ऐai/ee ओo औau

अंaM अः a: ऋRu ॠRU ऌlRu ॡ lRU

अ॑aq ऍE ऑ O

कk खkh गg घgh ङG

चc छch जj झjh/z/Z ञY

टT ठTh डD ढDh णN

तt थth दd धdh नn

पp फph/f बb भbh/v मm

यy रr लl वw/V शsh/S षSh/shh

सs हh ळL क्षx/kSh त्र tr ज्ञ jY

क्तkt क्रkr द्यdy श्रshr क्षkSh

द्धddh श्चshc द्वdv

र्‍ह(?) र्‍य(?) र्यry ट्रTr ठ्रThr ड्रDr ढ्रDhr य्र yr

अ आ ऍ ऑ इ ई उ ऊ ए ऐ ओ औ अं अ: ऋ ॠ लृ लॄ

क ख् ग् घ् ङ् च् छ् ज् झ् ञ् ट् ठ् ड् ढ् ण् त्‌ थ् द् ध् न् प् फ् भ् म्‌ य् र् ल् व् श् ष् स् ह् ळ् क्ष् त्र् क्त्‌ क्र् र्क् द्य् श्र् श्च

र्य् र्ह् ट्र ठ्र ड्र ढ्र ग्य

कळफलकावर 'एंटर'कीच्या वरच्या बाजूला असलेली 'बॅकस्पेस की' दोन व्यंजनांनंतर वापरली असता एकाखाली एक(?) जोडाक्षर

मिळते(?) जसे: ट्ट ट्ठ ड्ड क्क

क्क् ब्ब् म्म्‌ क्ट् फ्ट्

Not Available and needed improvements

Dear experts please go through following given problems along with foloowing links and suggest apropriate corrections for Marathi Wiktionary to function कळफलक well.

• धूळपाटी कळफलक दुरूस्ती
• [Monobook JS from Hindi wikpedia for कळफलक ]
• [[१]]

• New Problem: a simple non-capital 'v' is supposed come as व but instead it is coming भ ;since last couple of days.Can this be rectified ?

Mahitgar ०६:४५, २८ जानेवारी २००७ (UTC)

• In Marathi one needs to get a clustered alphabate 'ग्य' after pressing ग +य together.Presently 'ग +य' is coming ज्ञ . Hindi Language has got same pronounciation for ग्य and ज्ञ but in Marathi pronounciation of ग्य and ज्ञ is quite different.Present system 'ग +य' =ज्ञ is quite discomfort for Marathi writers.I will advice an additional sign along with 'ग +य to make ज्ञ ; may be something like 'ग +य + ~ '= ज्ञ

Mahitgar ०६:४७, २८ जानेवारी २००७ (UTC)

• aa also need to come as आ (A)

• Need signs for dirgha ॠ ॡ and also need signs for ङ र्‍ह र्‍य ज्ञ अः द्ध ज्ञ द्व

• चc छch this needs to be different way Capital C and Ch should come(छ) While small c and ch should come च
  • need half च for consonantal clustar which is presently not possible.
  • after repeat pressing cccc it gives where as it is supposed to create consonant' clustar

चःचःचःचःच् चःप्

Also, cwa gives चःव rather than च्व

• Also we need two vertical dot the visarga sign along with every Marathi alphabate like the dots coming in between when c is pressed repeatedly to create like (This Visarga sign looks like colan : but needs to be diffenent for search and bot purposes.

ः अः आः इः पः बाः मॉः

• Need a Language Toggle (Shortcut)Key for changing Marathi to English and English .Suggestions 'F11' and 'Ctrl+t'

• We prefer to have standardisation with MS Windows Devanagari Keyboard , baraha devanagari keyboard and Manogat keybord wherever possible.
• Please also do refer Rules for forming Marathi consonantal clustars

ा ि ी ु ू े ै ो ौ ं ः ॅ ॉ ँ ् ृ ॄ ॢ ॣ र्‍

Purpose not known

• aq
• Capital C produces following dot sign ॰ Purpose not identified.
• Purpose not identified G - G H - ।
• ए does not look like a Marathi ए. Its left arm is broken in the middle and the curvature of its upper portion is incorrect.
• अand every consonent has to be written sometimes with a cresent above them. This is a must for writing in Marathi script, English words like absent, act, an, captain, bank etc. The cresent should be symmetrical against a vertical line and not slant. That means the free ends of the cresent should be be as if on a horizontal line. Sign of this cresent should be provided.
• The consonents च, छ, ज, झ, and फ of Marathi and क ख ग ड ढ of Hindi/Urdu may require a Nukta under them. This sign of Nukta should be provided. The Marathi ल should have two arcs and a small stem(choti) connecting the second arc to the शिरोरेषा.
• The consonents श, छ, ख, य, ल are not written in a standard Marathi way. The श requires a 'choti', the circle of छ should not have a loose end, The stomachs of ख and य should not touch the bottom level, preventing attaching a र to them.
• The sign of first(short) इकार must have a variable width, so that it can fully cover consonents, and their ligatures of various width. e.g. While writing a letter like स्त्यि, the curve above the letter should start from the top of the first vertical line and end at the top of the last vertical line of य. Unless this is provided, the printing will not look Marathi.
• How to type र्‍य and र्‍ह and Om? And also ligatures with two consonents कक, टट, ठठ, डड one below another?
• Element C

Numeric key

Uncheck Input box to use Roman/English Script, as usual. Check Input box to use Devanagari(Marathi) Script.

Use Esc key to clear/reset all wrtitten info. Numeric key line with shift button works same in Devanagari and Roman Numeric key line 1233457890 In Marathi १२३४५६७८९०

Q to P Normal(without Shift button use)

qwertyuiop
॑ व् ए र् त्‌ य् उ इ ओ प्

Q to P Normal(with Shift button use/ or with caps lock)

QWERTYUIOP

॓ व् ऍ ऋ ट् ञ् ऊ ई ऑ प्

A to L Normal(without Shift button use/ or without caps lock)

a s d f g h j k l

अ स् द् फ् ग् ह् ज् क् ल्

A to L (with Shift button use/ or with caps lock)

A S D F G H J K L

आ ष् ड् फ् G । ़ ़ ळ्

अग्रशीर्ष मजकुर

==

=अग्रशीर्ष मजकुर=दीप्त्‌

• Purpose not identified G - G H - ।

• Capital J & K are used for Hindi Nukta sign eg. faJ/faK produces

फ़/फ़

z to M Normal(without Shift button use/ or without caps lock)

z x c v b n m

झ् क्ष् च व् ब् न् म्

Z to M(without Shift button use/ or without caps lock)

Z X C V B N M

झ् क्ष् ॰ व् ब् ण् ं

• Capital produces following dot sign ॰ Purpose not identified.
• Capital M produces anusvara sign if given after any alphabet eg. pM

पं

List of Experts on this subject

List of Wikipedians or else who may be of help in improving this.

• hi:w:सदस्य वार्ता:Sumit sinha Contributions to Hindi Wikipedia MediaWiki files
• hi:w:सदस्य वार्ता:Eukesh

Suggestions by Eukesh to Marathi Wikipedia

• tatari

Example of improvement from Hindi WIkipedia

Example of improvement done in Hindi WIkipedia [changes incorporated by hindi wikipedia in monobook js.

transliteration problem

Yes, most of the Indian wikipedias may find themseves in this problem by 1st of Sept 2010. Malyalam Wikipedia is first to go over to new change I had an email discussion with one of their user , That I am giving for your ref. below but I think that is not sufficieant since there is one discussion here at usability discussion which shows malyalam wiki also was having the same problem. I think we will need to study and discuss this issue further. I am sure your technical background and intrest will help us माहितगार १४:०४, २७ ऑगस्ट २०१० (UTC)

Here you can obsrve Mediawiki Contributions at Malyalam Wikipedia by their Sysop Praveenp . contributions at usibility wiki

Please do try Usability:What's new, questions and answers#Why don't the scripts (monobook.js) and styles (monobook.css) work any more?

Following is discussion with one of the Malyalam Wikipedia user Mr. Shiju on email

Thanks for reminder, giving priority to translations at translate wiki for usability intiative dead line , not many translations remaining need to finish those first. Before I forget second most important thing about vector implementation what did ml wiki do to retain tranliteration facility. I suppose this is very important aspect to all Indian language wikis so may be you can forward the reply through mailing list too.

Will catch on this aspect positively by Mondya or so .

Thanks and Regards

Mahitgar

Mahitgar,

You don't need to do anything special for vector. Transliteration will work. You can check this by changing your skin to Vector.

But there is a small issue with the control box (देवनागरी) that was near search box. In the new interface, we don't have space to place it. So we have included the tip about this inside the search box itself, which roughly says Press CTRL+ M for Malayalam. See Malayalam Wiki to see how it look like.

The control box will work in other places (for example, main edit window) without any issues.

I suppose this is very important aspect to all Indian language wikis so may be you can forward the reply through mailing list too.

Thank you Shiju

For now the transliteration is enabled by ctrl-z key, the message for changing the transliteration language is not being shown, I'll try to work on it. - कोल्हापुरी ०३:५०, ३ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

mailing list

Please do join this mailing list of usability wiki , We need to ask the same query on email too on this list so we will get more clear info. माहितगार १४:१४, २७ ऑगस्ट २०१० (UTC)

Discussion on the mailing list

mayur kumar from Hindi Wikipedia mayurdce at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 14:18:37 UTC 2010

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yes, i have resolved this issue in hindi wiki.If you need help regarding vector.js issue on your wiki, I may help you. Hi, any indian langguage who use devnagri fonts may directly make a mediawiki:vector.js file and just copy and paste

importScriptURI('http://hi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=सदस्य:Mayurbot/vector. js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');

in this mediawiki:vector.js (मयूरांचे Re: Vector skin - Adding check box to control the transliteration script Saturday, 4 September, 2010 12:24 AM इमेल)

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, it is a java script issue. But users in all wikis are not experts in > java script to fix this issue. We know that something needs to be done in > commons.js or vector.js, but we are unable to figure it out. > > Hence solutions from experienced users who know java script is very much > appreciated. May be some one can provide us different types of solutions > reagrding the placement of check box. But this feature is a must for wikis > that use non-latin scripts. > > Shiju> > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Paul Selitskas <wizardist at ya.ru> wrote: > >> I think it's just a JS issue. Another thing is how to place the checkbox >> (or another switch tool) and not to screw up the top-right of the page. I >> would place just checkbox with no label to the right of the search button. >> It's quite acceptable if you'll pin this stuff to #p-search. >> >> Greets. >> >> 20.08.2010, 18:35, "Shiju Alex" >> > Hello All, >> > >> > I am from Malayalam Wikipedia (http://ml.wikipedia.org) and I >> coordinated the recent Usability change efforts for Malayalam Wikipedia. Let >> me ask a question that is directly related to the new UI (vector). This >> question is relevant only to languages that use non-Latin scripts. >> > >> > In most of the non-latin language wikis there is a transliteration >> script that we use for typing the text in the respective language/script. >> This is a javascript. For Monobook, many wikis have placed a control box >> near the search box to switch on/off the transliteration script. See the >> attached image (monobook.png) to get an idea where it is placed. >> > >> > When we over switched to Vector, this control box disappeared. >> Transliteration is still working. See the attached image >> (vector_existing.png) to see the existing state. >> > >> > We want to add this control box near the search box as shown in the >> image vector_modified.png. Can some one please guide us in this regard? >> > >> > Many Indian languages wikimedians have asked me this question, since we >> switched over to new skin on 2010 June 30. All the other language wikipedias >> are getting ready for the change. All languages that use transliteration >> scheme has this issue. >> > >> > So a solution will benefit all the languages that use transliteration >> script. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Shiju Alex

Almost all the Indian language wiki projects use a transliteration program (a javacript) for typing text in the respective language/script. For Monobook, many wikis placed a control check box near the search box to switch ON/OFF the transliteration script. See this image for example, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/usability/6/62/Monobook.png When wikis switched over to Vector skin, this control box/check box is disappeared.

NOTE: The default skin of all the wiki projects (including all the Indian Language wiki projects) moved from the Monobook skin to the new Vector skin on 2010 September 1. Few Indian language wikipedias (Malayalam, Telugu, and Bengali) moved to Vector interface little earlier (2010 June 30).

After Malayalam Wikipedia switched over to new interface (vector), many Indian language wikipedians (especially Hindi, Bhojpuri, Marathi) have asked us about fixing this issue so that check box will appear in Vector skin also. But till today we were unable to find a solution.

Finally today, one Malayalam Wikipedian, Sadik Khaid is able to fix this issue and the check box problem is solved for the Vector skin. The code to add check box (to control the transliteration script) near the Search box is available in Sadik's test wiki at http://lab.dhudhu.com/index.php?title=Mediawiki:TranslitPatch.js

Copy the code displayed there and paste it inside Mediawiki:Common.js page of your wiki. You need to place inside the addTextEvent() function code. Following customization need to be done before placing it inside Mediawiki:Common.js

Part One

linktohelp.title= "To Enable or Disable xx language, Shrotcut: add shortcut here";

You need to change the message according to your requirement. In Malayalam wiki we changed this line to linktohelp.title= "മലയാളത്തിലെഴുതുവാൻ ഈ ഉപധി സ്വീകരിക്കുക, കുറുക്കുവഴി: Ctrl + M";

Ctrl + M is the shortcut key that we use in malayalam wiki to control the tranlieration script. In some wikis it is Ctrl + G and in some others it is ESC key.

Part Two

linktohelp.appendChild( document.createTextNode('Translit xx language') );

In Malayalam wiki, we changed this line to linktohelp.appendChild( document.createTextNode('മലയാളത്തിലെഴുതുക') );

This is the message that will appear near the search box. In Malayalam Wiki it is മലയാളത്തിലെഴുതുക In wikis that use Devanagri it might be देवनागरी.

Please let Sadik know in case you are facing some issue to fix this. His email id is sadik.khalid@gmail.com

Thanks Shiju Alex (श्री षीजू यांचे Friday, 3 September, 2010 11:43 PM चे इमेल)

संपादन साधनपट्टीतील transliteration problem

नवीन संवर्धीत साधन पट्टी (edit tools) मध्ये दुवे,शोधा आणि बदला आणि येथे टिचकी मारली असता संवादगवाक्ष (पॉप अप विंडो) उघडतात पण त्यात मराठी/देवनागरीत टाईप होत नाही असे होणे गरजेचे आहे माहितगार ०७:१२, ४ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

माहितगार,
तुम्ही म्हणता ते बरोबर आहे, पॉप अप विंडोमध्ये मराठी टंकण्यासाठी काही करता येते का ते पाहतो. - कोल्हापुरी ०९:३७, ४ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

Mahitgar and others,

Are you able to fix the transliteration problem. If not, please let me know if you need any help. You just need to follow the instructions in the last mail that I sent. If you could tell the problems that you face we will try to help you. --Shijualex ०८:२२, ४ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

See Hindi Wikipedia also. But this time Hindi wikipedian Mayur has copied the whole transliteration program from Malayalam Wiki. Not just the script that I mentioned above. See this: http://hi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:Mayurbot/vector.js

The shortcut key that we are using in Malayalam to control the script is CTRL + M. Now Hindi also copied the same. But I found that in some wikis people use CTRL + G and other shortcut keys. So ideally you need to customize the script according to your requirement. --Shijualex ०८:५४, ४ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

Thank you, Shijualex! I copied the file from Hindi Wikipedia and seems to be working fine here! - कोल्हापुरी ०९:३१, ४ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

आभार आणि कृपया हे सुद्धा

सदस्य कोल्हापुरी, आणि सदस्य Sankalpdravid यांना देवनागरी सुविधा अत्यल्प कालावधीत सुरळीत करून देण्याकरिता मनःपूर्वक धन्यवाद. सध्या डिफॉल्ट सेटिंग इंग्रजी टायपींगचे आहे त्या एवजी डिफॉल्ट सेटींग मराठी टायपींगचे करावे असे वाटते नसता केवळी टिचकी देण्याचा मजकुर नवाचणारी मंडळीपण खूप असतात आणि त्यांचा रोमन/इंग्रजी प्रयोग(उत्पात) लिहिणे चालू रहातेमाहितगार ०८:४३, ६ सप्टेंबर २०१० (UTC)

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